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		<title>By: Nika</title>
		<link>http://nikas-culinaria.com/2006/05/26/molecular-gastronomy-for-the-masses-a-rant/comment-page-1/#comment-33493</link>
		<dc:creator>Nika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 15:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chadwick,

It looks like you havent even started blogging yet..? Maybe wait on borrowing until you have some original content.</description>
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<p>It looks like you havent even started blogging yet..? Maybe wait on borrowing until you have some original content.</p>
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		<title>By: Chadwick Panama</title>
		<link>http://nikas-culinaria.com/2006/05/26/molecular-gastronomy-for-the-masses-a-rant/comment-page-1/#comment-33468</link>
		<dc:creator>Chadwick Panama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 12:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope you would not have reservations if I posted a part of this on my univeristy blog?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you would not have reservations if I posted a part of this on my univeristy blog?</p>
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		<title>By: jens</title>
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		<dc:creator>jens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi nika, i am a chef and i wanted to share my opinion form the other side of this subject.

I do agree that spending 500$ a person in a restaurant is alot of money, and i think i speak for most of the chefs working in these restaurants, we ourselves dont go out spending that much money either.

But then why charge these prices? 
There are a couple of very good reasons for it.

1st of all to be able to serve these kind of dishes as part of a multicourse tasting menu, consistently to a full restaurant each night requires a huge amount of resources. these restaurants usually have 20 - 30 cooks running around all day, prepping food for 12 to 14 hours straight. the quipment that is used in these restaurants is rather expensive, like immersion circulators etc.

But that is not all. After you considered all the cost of the above, how would you charge the entertaining value that comes with a night out in such a restaurant. How much are you willing to pay if you go to a concert? So why not pay for entertainment in a restaurant that treats you like royalty for a night?

And my last point, and this comes from my heart. I think that in restaurants like that you not only are paying for the ingredients that you get served on your plate, but for the hard work and the creative mind that a chef put into every single dish that leaves his kitchen.

I just wanted to share my opinion on this subject from a chefs point of view, and if you would really like to try items they cook at these fancy restaurants check out their blogs, if they have one. Todays chefs are so much about sharing their recipes, techniques and dishes, its all out there for you to grab and try at home.

Jens</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi nika, i am a chef and i wanted to share my opinion form the other side of this subject.</p>
<p>I do agree that spending 500$ a person in a restaurant is alot of money, and i think i speak for most of the chefs working in these restaurants, we ourselves dont go out spending that much money either.</p>
<p>But then why charge these prices?<br />
There are a couple of very good reasons for it.</p>
<p>1st of all to be able to serve these kind of dishes as part of a multicourse tasting menu, consistently to a full restaurant each night requires a huge amount of resources. these restaurants usually have 20 &#8211; 30 cooks running around all day, prepping food for 12 to 14 hours straight. the quipment that is used in these restaurants is rather expensive, like immersion circulators etc.</p>
<p>But that is not all. After you considered all the cost of the above, how would you charge the entertaining value that comes with a night out in such a restaurant. How much are you willing to pay if you go to a concert? So why not pay for entertainment in a restaurant that treats you like royalty for a night?</p>
<p>And my last point, and this comes from my heart. I think that in restaurants like that you not only are paying for the ingredients that you get served on your plate, but for the hard work and the creative mind that a chef put into every single dish that leaves his kitchen.</p>
<p>I just wanted to share my opinion on this subject from a chefs point of view, and if you would really like to try items they cook at these fancy restaurants check out their blogs, if they have one. Todays chefs are so much about sharing their recipes, techniques and dishes, its all out there for you to grab and try at home.</p>
<p>Jens</p>
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		<title>By: Nikas Culinaria &#187; Essentialism and Authenticity in Food: Molecular Pablum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nikas Culinaria &#187; Essentialism and Authenticity in Food: Molecular Pablum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 15:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: nika</title>
		<link>http://nikas-culinaria.com/2006/05/26/molecular-gastronomy-for-the-masses-a-rant/comment-page-1/#comment-192</link>
		<dc:creator>nika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 15:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow.  If I were in your shoes, concerned that it might not meet expectations, I am not sure how I would have reacted.  I honestly have never been in that position before.  Most of my consuming experiences are of the inexpensive kind so I dont feel like I can complain.  But with the Alinea situation I might turn into a scary demanding witch that I might not even recognize! *winks*

NOW, if I were single and a guy who drives a ferarri took me out and INSISTED on going to Alinea... I think I would not have any problem with that!  :-)  

Nika

PS: thanks for the congrats! Talk about expensive, try having a child!  The hospital bill for the last child was $20,000 USD!  Thank goodness for our insurance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow.  If I were in your shoes, concerned that it might not meet expectations, I am not sure how I would have reacted.  I honestly have never been in that position before.  Most of my consuming experiences are of the inexpensive kind so I dont feel like I can complain.  But with the Alinea situation I might turn into a scary demanding witch that I might not even recognize! *winks*</p>
<p>NOW, if I were single and a guy who drives a ferarri took me out and INSISTED on going to Alinea&#8230; I think I would not have any problem with that!  <img src='http://nikas-culinaria.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>Nika</p>
<p>PS: thanks for the congrats! Talk about expensive, try having a child!  The hospital bill for the last child was $20,000 USD!  Thank goodness for our insurance.</p>
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		<title>By: Fatemeh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fatemeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 10:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you - it IS sad that there are restaurants that are priced so far outside of what most people would call &quot;reasonable&quot;. 

You know, there was a post on a public board recently talking about how one couple had spent $750 on the tour at Alinea, and were disappointed. I can&#039;t imagine that kind of letdown. I really can&#039;t. I can&#039;t imagine the nausea that must set in when you realize that you&#039;ve spent several hours and what amounts to rent or mortgage for probably half the country and you didn&#039;t even enjoy it. Nauseating. 

And I have to admit, I was REALLY worried about tht at possibility, because I had hyped the damn thing so much.

PS - I absolutely didn&#039;t think it was a dig, at all... I just think this is always an interesting discussion, and thought I&#039;d weigh in. :-)

PPS - Congrats on the upcoming little!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you &#8211; it IS sad that there are restaurants that are priced so far outside of what most people would call &#8220;reasonable&#8221;. </p>
<p>You know, there was a post on a public board recently talking about how one couple had spent $750 on the tour at Alinea, and were disappointed. I can&#8217;t imagine that kind of letdown. I really can&#8217;t. I can&#8217;t imagine the nausea that must set in when you realize that you&#8217;ve spent several hours and what amounts to rent or mortgage for probably half the country and you didn&#8217;t even enjoy it. Nauseating. </p>
<p>And I have to admit, I was REALLY worried about tht at possibility, because I had hyped the damn thing so much.</p>
<p>PS &#8211; I absolutely didn&#8217;t think it was a dig, at all&#8230; I just think this is always an interesting discussion, and thought I&#8217;d weigh in. <img src='http://nikas-culinaria.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>PPS &#8211; Congrats on the upcoming little!</p>
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		<title>By: nika</title>
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		<dc:creator>nika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2006 15:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fatemah: 1st this was not meant as a slam on you.  I enjoyed your blog entries on Alinea very much because it gave the rest of us a chance to experience something we likely never will.  You do not need to &quot;justify&quot; you trip there!  It sounds like you had a delightful time.

I would not mind a once in a lifetime chance to go to Masa and have sushi I have never in my life, ever.  

But the fact that these restaurants are several orders of magnitude beyond my ability to pay and save for is what I feel is sad in re: it putting molecular gastronomy out of the reach of so many.

Lets just say that 1) I make my own coffees at home, I do not buy expensive Lattes daily like some (might be something like 6 months or more for me now to get one) and 2) with 2 kids and one on the way, if I saved enough money for 500 for all 5  of us, food for one night would not be what I was spending it on.  Thats fine.  Its all about disposable income.  

Perhaps I should not kvetch.  I certainly dont complain about people spending lots of money on houses and cars and second houses etc. Its their thing, its the American way, I guess. Food on the other hand seems to have a more common or more encompassing component to it (need to eat, dont need to drive a ferrari) so its easy to forget that food can be a status item as well.  Because of this, the prices inflate fantastically, bloating into the impossible range.

Nothing I can say or write here will have an impact on that, its just the way it is.

Thanks so much for writing!

Nika</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fatemah: 1st this was not meant as a slam on you.  I enjoyed your blog entries on Alinea very much because it gave the rest of us a chance to experience something we likely never will.  You do not need to &#8220;justify&#8221; you trip there!  It sounds like you had a delightful time.</p>
<p>I would not mind a once in a lifetime chance to go to Masa and have sushi I have never in my life, ever.  </p>
<p>But the fact that these restaurants are several orders of magnitude beyond my ability to pay and save for is what I feel is sad in re: it putting molecular gastronomy out of the reach of so many.</p>
<p>Lets just say that 1) I make my own coffees at home, I do not buy expensive Lattes daily like some (might be something like 6 months or more for me now to get one) and 2) with 2 kids and one on the way, if I saved enough money for 500 for all 5  of us, food for one night would not be what I was spending it on.  Thats fine.  Its all about disposable income.  </p>
<p>Perhaps I should not kvetch.  I certainly dont complain about people spending lots of money on houses and cars and second houses etc. Its their thing, its the American way, I guess. Food on the other hand seems to have a more common or more encompassing component to it (need to eat, dont need to drive a ferrari) so its easy to forget that food can be a status item as well.  Because of this, the prices inflate fantastically, bloating into the impossible range.</p>
<p>Nothing I can say or write here will have an impact on that, its just the way it is.</p>
<p>Thanks so much for writing!</p>
<p>Nika</p>
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		<title>By: Fatemeh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fatemeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2006 09:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Nika, Fatemeh of Gastronomie here. 

I think that one has to consider the context of these meals. 

Our visit to Alinea was very special to us in that (a) we considered it our anniversary dinner, and we&#039;ve had a hell of a year and (b) we had the pleasure of sharing it with two people who are very dear to us.

That meal will forever be indelibly burned in our memories, as will the weekend in Chicago. We still marvel at some of the dishes, and the creativity they contained. And we truly had a BLAST together. 

So, I guess what I&#039;m saying is that for me, a meal at Alinea is an wondrous experience. It may not be something I would do even once a year, but we made the decision to tighten our belts in other areas in order to splurge on that experience.

Think about it: putting a dollar a day into a jar for a year would give you enough for a meal at Alinea or The French Laundry, or any number of other places. Or, you could spend twice that amount on a daily latte. It&#039;s all about what you choose to put a value on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nika, Fatemeh of Gastronomie here. </p>
<p>I think that one has to consider the context of these meals. </p>
<p>Our visit to Alinea was very special to us in that (a) we considered it our anniversary dinner, and we&#8217;ve had a hell of a year and (b) we had the pleasure of sharing it with two people who are very dear to us.</p>
<p>That meal will forever be indelibly burned in our memories, as will the weekend in Chicago. We still marvel at some of the dishes, and the creativity they contained. And we truly had a BLAST together. </p>
<p>So, I guess what I&#8217;m saying is that for me, a meal at Alinea is an wondrous experience. It may not be something I would do even once a year, but we made the decision to tighten our belts in other areas in order to splurge on that experience.</p>
<p>Think about it: putting a dollar a day into a jar for a year would give you enough for a meal at Alinea or The French Laundry, or any number of other places. Or, you could spend twice that amount on a daily latte. It&#8217;s all about what you choose to put a value on.</p>
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		<title>By: nika</title>
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		<dc:creator>nika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 May 2006 13:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gabriella: not pedestrian!  I too have a family to feed and think about that when I see talk of eating $500 meals.

I wonder how many of the people who are into eating out at these uber-expensive restaurants would even know how to feed themselves, let alone a family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gabriella: not pedestrian!  I too have a family to feed and think about that when I see talk of eating $500 meals.</p>
<p>I wonder how many of the people who are into eating out at these uber-expensive restaurants would even know how to feed themselves, let alone a family.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriella True</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabriella True</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 May 2006 10:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well I don&#039;t think I even knew about any of this. I am not up on things like that. I have a family to feed instead. I think that acupuncture needle dish is creepy. Maybe that makes me pedestrian but c&#039;est la vie.

&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://mylifeasareluctanthousewife.blogspot.com/&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;My Life As A Reluctant Housewife&lt;/A&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well I don&#8217;t think I even knew about any of this. I am not up on things like that. I have a family to feed instead. I think that acupuncture needle dish is creepy. Maybe that makes me pedestrian but c&#8217;est la vie.</p>
<p><a HREF="http://mylifeasareluctanthousewife.blogspot.com/" REL="nofollow" rel="nofollow">My Life As A Reluctant Housewife</a></p>
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